EvolutionFM Transcript: NFL Star Ricky Williams On Discovering Your Truth Using Astrology

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Ricky Williams takes us far beyond the football field in this electrifying deep dive into purpose, passion and the unseen forces that shape our lives. From college football legend to NFL icon Ricky opens up about the moment he sat in his locker and asked “Is this it?”

That question unraveled everything and led him to leave the game behind and chase something far more mysterious. He takes us through his studies in Ayurveda, his life changing discovery of astrology and how knowing where “Mars” was in his birth chart unlocked a truth no coach ever could.

Ricky’s journey is proof that the universe leaves clues and when you follow them it transforms everything. But just when you think he’s reached the summit of spiritual insight he reveals his boldest mission yet to bring this ancient wisdom into the modern world with AI and that’s when the real revolution begins.

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Scott Britton (00:01.333)

Ricky, what's up, man?

Ricky (00:04.027)

just normal is today, Thursday, normal Thursday for me.

Scott Britton (00:09.925)

Nice dude, nice. Well, I'm excited to have you on the show. You know, I was thinking about how I was at my uncle's house when I was, man, probably like 10 or 11 years old when you had that like 300 plus yard game at Texas and it was like such a big deal and been following your career for a long time and you know, ever since seeing you get into

All the things that you've been into for the past decade, mean, it's been really awesome. And I think where I'd like to kick this off is, when did your consciousness journey really start to take hold as a big part of your life?

Ricky (00:48.614)

I don't know, I guess I was kind of born into it. I was born into a very spiritual family. So it was there at the foundation, but early in my life, my energy shifted to be in the best athlete I could be. And that essentially became my consciousness journey. But it was rooted in like football, and fame and all that stuff. And I just got to a certain point where...

I was in my locker room, this was 2004. I was in the locker room, and I was doing the off season probably right around this time of the year. And I was looking around the locker room and I started thinking to myself, this it? Am I gonna be a legend for entertaining people for a few hours on Sundays and sometimes Mondays and Thursdays now? And I just had this empty pit in my stomach, like this can't be it.

there must be more. And I started to think, okay, there must be more. Then I felt this heaviness of being stuck in the football world. And I just said, I gotta make a change. And so I started imagining if I wasn't playing football, what would I be doing? And it was really the first time in my life that I asked myself that question. And immediately I saw myself helping people. And when I had that image, there was a big gap.

between knowing I could really help people at that point in my life was how to catch a football, how to read the the two hole. All of my experiences, all of them were rooted in football. So I realized if I want to have a quality of life that I'm looking for, that I have to get away from football and I have to live. I have to have some experiences. And I didn't know what those experiences were exactly, but I did know they had something to do with consciousness. I remember sitting in my

and my condo thinking I wish I had time and space to just sit and get to know myself.

Scott Britton (02:50.276)

Hmm.

Ricky (02:52.014)

So I ended up retiring from the NFL and I started to travel, started traveling around the world. And I found myself with a lot of time sitting, getting to know myself. And I'd say that's really when my consciousness journey took off. The first step was I had to get away from what was getting in the way of my consciousness journey. And as soon as I did, it started happening organically. And I started meeting people, having conversations, and it kept nudging me, kept nudging me in a specific direction.

And I found myself in Northern California studying something called Ayurveda, which a month earlier I had never heard of. But there's something I was starting to realize that there were breadcrumbs. There are things out there that would lead me to more consciousness for some reason. And it wasn't anything I planned, but I got really into studying Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung.

Scott Britton (03:28.379)

yeah.

Ricky (03:48.096)

In my life, and I'd say in America, being a professional football player is living somewhat of a mythic life, especially compared to my high school classmates. I was living a bigger life than they were. And I think the only thing about a bigger life is it's more amplified. So you can see elements more easily. Things that I did that my friends did, no one knew about, they did it. For me, it's all in the newspapers. So this amplification of life.

Scott Britton (04:15.704)

Right.

Ricky (04:17.24)

But in that amplification, I started to see clearly the symbolic nature of the events that were showing up in my life. It was obvious. And all I had to go on at that point were just the stories I listened to in Sunday school. But even that was enough to be able to track there's something parallel between what I've read in religious texts and what is starting to manifest in my life. And that really, really caught my attention.

because it gave greater meaning to the ups and downs I was experiencing in my life. And to me, that was the first sign of consciousness. This idea of the larger world and what I'm going through in my everyday experiences are not as separate as I once thought. So I found myself in Northern California studying Ayurveda and part of the Ayurveda course was we did yoga twice a week. And there's a spiritual retreat in Northern California and one of the...

yoga teachers from the retreat came to teach at the school. And I remember after the class, after final relaxation, I went up to the teacher, he's a Swami, I went up to the teacher and I said, where can I get more of this? So this is the most relaxed and peaceful I've been in my whole life. And it manifested through doing something with my body. So coming from an athletic background, I was like, there's something here. And he said, there's a retreat down the road, you should come check us out. And so that next Saturday, I started going and I went every day.

every day, every day. And I met the head teacher there. Someone had told her I was a retired football player. So after brunch one day, she came down to me and she looked at me. She looked me right in the eye and she said, where is your Mars? And I looked at her eyes and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Scott Britton (05:59.573)

First time you've been asked that question.

Ricky (06:02.194)

First time I've been asked that question. It was a great question I found out a couple of hours later. So I went up to her office and she asked for my birth information. And I knew what time I was born, because I have a twin sister, so that's always been part of our story. She was born at 156, I was born at 157. So gave her my birth information, she put it into her computer, and what followed changed my entire life. It was probably the first time in my life

that I truly felt seen, seen. Because as soon as high school, I started to become a big football player, all people could see was potential and the future and my athletic ability, that what was underneath it, the consciousness underneath it was completely ignored. But something about getting my birth information allowed this woman to speak directly to my consciousness, to something deeper in me. And like something came alive and I became extremely hungry.

for more of whatever was going on in this place. And so I asked her if she would teach me. She would teach me astrology, if she would teach me what she knew, if she would teach me about spirituality, about consciousness. And she said, yeah, she said, I will. So I spent the next two years studying under her and it really gave me a solid footing. And I think the reason I was able to get a solid footing because the 27 years up until that point of being coached in sports.

I was now ready to be coached in consciousness and I found a really, really good teacher, really good mentor. And that's how it all got started.

Scott Britton (07:28.096)

Sure.

Scott Britton (07:36.213)

Wow, man, amazing story. And yeah, it's so cool how the universe leaves little breadcrumbs. And I think that, man, that inflection point you talk about where you start to see the coherence between, you know, what's happening in your life on the outside and what's happening inside. And there's the fact that there's more than just this like linear reality. It's just, it's just one of the best things, you know, and it does ignite that desire to understand it more.

comprehensively inside of you. I think, well, I was gonna ask you, know, a lot of people on the show, they maybe have like heard of astrology and they know what their sign is. And you know, that's about it, right? They don't really think about it as like a system to understand themselves in the universe. Could you share more about what you've learned, like how you think about astrology today?

Ricky (08:08.642)

Yeah.

Scott Britton (08:34.78)

and maybe provide just a deeper context.

Ricky (08:38.582)

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was the same way. I knew my sign since I was a kid, because most people know when their birthday is, you know, and it's pretty easy to get access to that information. But I didn't really take it seriously. And I don't think like sun sign astrology is what we call it. I don't think it's really meant to be taken seriously. I think it's entertainment. It's entertainment. But the spiritual retreat I was at and the way I was introduced to astrology, it was from an Indian tradition.

So Indian tradition of, and if you go to India and you start talking about astrology, astrologers in India are extremely well respected. They're considered like teachers, mentors, because the assumption is if they've been spending their time and their energy studying astrology, that they know something. They know something. And I think the best way to explain it, modern astrology is very psychological. So.

Scott Britton (09:17.523)

Mm-mm.

Ricky (09:36.35)

Simple way is just understanding what makes you tick And I and we invite the work the idea of what makes you tick I could also say what moves you what moves you because most of what moves us Depending on our age and our experience, but most of what moves us is unconscious It's okay. Why did I do that? Why did I say that? Why am I interested in this? Why did I end up doing that? any time that we're we're asking ourselves questions

Scott Britton (09:55.679)

Truth.

Ricky (10:05.848)

Where did that come from? Why did I do that? Astrology provides the answer. And I'd say if someone isn't asking themselves or they're not curious about their deeper motivations, then astrology really can't do anything for you except for entertain you. But if someone truly desires to understand their deepest motivations, I might even say understand where they've come from, understand their purpose, understand why they're here, understand what they're here to potentially offer the world.

This is what astrology can help us understand. And to simplify it, and I've done a lot of training in body work. And one of the things when you're working with the body, you appreciate that structure and function go hand in hand. And I was talking more about the physical structures of the body, but if we go a little bit deeper and we think about psychological structures, motivations, drives, et cetera, that's what we're made of.

Every experience in our life either was attracted to us or initiated by us. So the chart is like this magnet point that attracts meaningful experiences. And those meaningful experiences can come based on our actions, our thoughts, our ideas, or they can come randomly just showing up. Either way, astrology helps us understand why is this happening to me? What developmental process am I in the midst of?

Studying astrology and the type of astrology I practice is called evolutionary astrology. And the basic idea is that we're all on an evolutionary journey. A simple way to say that is every experience gives us an opportunity to become more conscious, to learn something. And so astrology can help us put the types of experiences, internal and external, that are showing up in our lives into context so we can appreciate what they are helping us develop towards.

And football, a good analogy here, a lot of people get really excited about the beginning of the football season. But to me, the best football always is played at the end of the football season because they've had the developmental journey of getting to the end of the season. Every game we watch, we go back and we watch the film and we see what could we have done better? What did we learn about ourselves from this past game? And we know the other team is watching the film too.

Ricky (12:29.432)

They're learning about us too. So if we don't learn and get better, right, we're gonna lose. We're not gonna be able to perform well. So football really trained me for this consciousness path to appreciate that every experience, every practice, every rep, every game is preparing us for the next one and the next one and the next one.

Scott Britton (12:49.95)

I love that man. think I've heard you say a quote on another podcast that we're infinitely gathering information and applying our abilities.

Ricky (12:58.466)

Yeah, I think that's to me and it comes from my football training, right? My number one job as a football player was to access all of my potential and find a way to bring it every Sunday. And so the way I approach life is I think the purpose in life is to access as much as my potential is possible and bring it to bear on life, on my community, on the people around me. Because the more we develop our skills and our abilities, the more we have to offer the world.

more I have to offer people from football, the more I have to offer my team.

Scott Britton (13:33.672)

You know, I think one place where a lot of people get hung up on this is they like the idea, right? Like who doesn't want to know more about themselves at a fundamental level, but the mechanism throws people off. They're like, okay, how does like the position of the stars and my birth date, like how is that connected to what I need to know right now in my life? And I'd just be curious for you to share more of your perspective.

Ricky (14:03.95)

Yeah, so it's a journey, right? But at the beginning of the journey, someone has to be motivated enough to go through the valleys and the hills, and they have to be motivated to do the work. So the phrase that's coming to my mind right now is timing is everything.

Timing is everything. So it's obvious if we look at the world is we have the saying, right? right. I just missed it. If I was here a little bit earlier or a little bit later, I would have got it, right? Or, know, wrong place, wrong time, right place, right time. So it's unconscious, but if we think about it, it's right there that everything happens at the time it's supposed to.

It couldn't happen any other way. That's why we have these phrases. just missed it. if we think in a simple way to break down astrology is the signs really are connected to seasons, seasons. And there's quotes, sayings, right? There's a season for everything, right? There's a season for everything. Another way of saying timing is everything. So we can only be born at a time that matches our destiny.

It's like if I want to grow certain plants, right? I have to look at a book to see, okay, what climate, what time of year, right? Can I plant these plants where they're going to get what they need to be able to reach their full potential? Well, I think we're only born at a time where the season is right for our path, for our journey. And so at that, we can only be born at that moment. And like the same way we plant a seed, embedded in that seed is the whole future.

of that plant, of that tree. And so I think of a birth chart, the moment of our birth encapsulates all of the potential for what we have the ability to become in our lives. And it's a theory that was taught to me. And as I started to practice the theory and look at charts over and I probably looked at 5,000 charts over and over and over again, right? The theory, holds up, it holds up. To appreciate when in our lives certain

Ricky (16:24.854)

events, certain parts of ourselves are gonna be germinated and blossom. Meaning the events relative to that are gonna show up in our life. And so one of my favorite pastimes is to look at the news and there's a celebrity, something's going on in a celebrity's life. And decent amount of celebrities have their birth information online. So read the news story, go online, I'll pull up the chart and I'll learn why is this thing happening for this person right now.

And I'm learning the same way a farmer would learn, right? Is when to plant seeds, and when to harvest them, and how that whole mechanism works.

Scott Britton (17:04.304)

Yeah, it actually really makes sense, right, if you take the kind of evolutionary perspective where we're all incarnating to evolve and there's very specific things that we need to do to evolve, that we choose a specific point in time to do that, right, with the perfect conditions for us.

Ricky (17:26.156)

Yeah, I used to say we choose, but in the same way, when we plant a seed, we don't choose when that seed germinates. We can put it in the soil, we can make sure it has enough water, we can make sure it's the right time. I mean, it's the right environment, but there's a timing thing of when the environment is just right to give birth to something. Again, I think the meditation here is really studying timing.

And it's like, I need to have a difficult conversation with my wife. Now's not a good time. Now's not a good time. Now's not a good time. I can see the opening. Now is the time. And if I have the conversation when it's not a good time, turns into a big fight, nothing gets accomplished. It doesn't bear fruit. But I wait till the right moment. It's tense. It's powerful.

We clear the air, we get to the other side. And the difference is just waiting for the right time. And the timing that we're talking about is the timing of birth, that's on the universe's time. That's consciousness time. And I think we can learn about consciousness by studying that moment and how that moment unfolds throughout the course of our lifetime. Now, an example of this timing thing that is easy, there's certain...

rhythms that we all experience, like puberty. And if we look at the range of puberty, it's at the very early end, it's 11, at the late end, it's like 15, 16. And we know that pretty much all the population is gonna go through this around the same time, but the actual timing for each individual is different. And you know people, right, that they're late bloomers, you know people that they always tend to be first.

you're gonna see those kinds of patterns check out for someone throughout their entire lives. And so the same way we can recognize a smell of a flower or the taste of a fruit, okay, we can recognize the essence of each other, of the individual. And a lot of this has to do with timing. And this is where we can get into simple sunshine. I keep thinking I have Aries on the mind, know, Aries is the first season, it's the beginning of spring.

Ricky (19:45.516)

And if you just go outside in every season in the beginning of spring and you look at nature, you'll see right in the plants, this new growth, this new budding, bright green leaves, like bursting forth. And if you hang around someone who was born at this time of year, there's gonna be something about their character that matches the energy of spring. They're gonna be first, they're gonna be in a hurry, they're gonna be comfortable starting things.

They make good entrepreneurs because they're not afraid to start. They're not afraid, because that's the nature of Aries. If we didn't have spring where nature started up again, it's universal. And what I love about astrology is we get insights about ourselves just from watching nature.

Scott Britton (20:33.114)

Well, we are nature, you know. We are nature. I think a question that I have, so I've studied things like human design, Enneagram, a lot of these different systems that kind of use birth date, time, location, et cetera, to tell you about kind of propensities that you have and allow you to actually have permission to lean into those in some regards. But.

Ricky (20:34.604)

Yeah, exactly.

Scott Britton (21:00.599)

What is a practical application of astrology look like on a day to day basis?

Ricky (21:06.924)

Yeah, great question, great question. So a couple of examples come to mind. One, the thing is, what is the practical value of knowing yourself?

Scott Britton (21:19.705)

I mean, it's kind of everything, right?

Ricky (21:21.39)

Exactly. One example is, the one thing that I've noticed since I've used astrology to know myself better is it's really difficult to control me. Because I know exactly who I am, I know where I've come from, and I know where I'm headed. And so it's easy for me to say, it's decision making. This is me, this is not me. This is for me, this is based on my training, but it's not actually for me.

It's getting a sense of what the universe desires us to be and learning to live in accordance with that. Coming back to what you said, it's like in this day and age, the word religion is a bad word, but underneath the organized religion and all that horrible stuff is the idea of living the good life, of living right. And the issue with organized religion is they say this is the one right way to live.

the beauty of astrology, says that each of us has a unique path, has a unique right way to live. And so I imagine in the next 200 years that as we're in this time where religion is pretty much left, that it will re-emerge, but it's gonna be more of an astrological based religion where the idea of what is right for me today is different than what is right for another person today. And for us to be able to tune into

what is right for me right now and to start to live from that place, it's magic. It is magic.

Scott Britton (22:52.537)

The words that come up for me as you're talking are authenticity and alignment. And you know, I don't know where I heard this and I don't know if it's true.

Ricky (23:00.443)

Okay, yeah, those are great words and they speak to.

Scott Britton (23:06.361)

Well, what I was gonna say is it's okay. You're fired up and I love it. Someone told me that the original meaning of sin was basically to go against one's nature. It was to go against one's natural way. And so it wasn't this idea of there's a prescription of laws that you're following or not following. It was actually your unique.

Ricky (23:07.98)

I'm sorry, you just cut out a little bit on this too.

Scott Britton (23:32.862)

authenticity that you are going against, that is the sin. And we seem to have lost that, but what's really cool hearing you talk is that that's kind of like an acknowledged truth in astrology.

Ricky (23:45.11)

Yeah, it's the initial truth. I think to me it's why I was so drawn to astrology. I use astrology similar to narrative therapy. And it's like when I left the NFL, failed a drug test, threw my whole life away, that was the prevailing narrative. And I started to take it on and then I realized this story does not feel very good.

And so I went on a journey to find a better story, a better version of the story. So back to meeting Swami Sita, my first mentor, is when we sat down and this idea of feeling seen, it was the narrative she was sharing based off what she was picking up from me and what she was seeing in the chart that started to sing. It started to get me excited about showing up, excited about living. And that's why I said, you need to like...

teach me how to do this so I can align myself even more. And the analogy I probably use most for astrology is it's like a GPS. It's like you need it when you're going somewhere new or you're lost, but if you've been somewhere a couple of times, you don't need it anymore. So I talk to people, I do consultations and talk to people about their chart, but my goal is after a year or less, they don't need astrology anymore.

because they've already tuned themselves to themselves. And so the tuning device is not needed anymore.

Scott Britton (25:17.257)

Yeah, yeah, I love that. And I think, you know, ultimately, everybody wants to be happy. And for me, it really is that living in alignment and knowing themself, knowing thyself, which brings that like, that's it. You know, that's the ultimate thing. That's where you feel the best is when you know, you're just in your truth and you're doing what you're supposed to do.

Ricky (25:38.04)

Yeah, know, happy, I love the word, but I think sometimes it confuses people. So I try to speak more of fulfilled, fulfilled because unhappiness, It's really, we feel unfulfilled, right? No matter what I do, I don't feel fulfilled. And this really gets us to the core of astrology because the planets in astrology are showing us it's a map of our desires. So the...

The of fulfillment is there's certain deep desires that we all have. And until those desires are expressed or satisfied, we feel unfulfilled. And so an example, right? Because we have an inner self and we have an outer self, okay? The outer self is given to us, right? It's issued to us. That's where all of our issues come from. Where who we are on the inside doesn't match with who we're supposed to be on the outside.

So life rules, our parents, right? Culture teaches us how to live our outward selves, but we don't really have anything that teaches us how to live our inward self. And that's where I found astrology because the planets in an astrological chart, they map the deep desires, the deep universe desires of our unconscious that are constantly seeking fulfillment with our help or without our help. And so,

Tuning into our deepest unconscious desires allows us to consciously satisfy them. And as we do, it's like we get gifts from the gods. When I was a kid, there was a movie, a Clash of the Titans, the story of Perseus. And in the story, whenever Perseus had some kind of difficult challenge in front of him, one of his uncles or aunts, one of the gods, would give him exactly the sword or the invisibility helmet or whatever he needed to be able to navigate that challenge.

And once he navigated the challenge, he got to keep the boon and it became a gift or a talent or a skill that he got to keep the rest of his life to keep doing good works.

Ricky (27:44.077)

And I think that's how life really should be, is that we face certain challenges. And if we look around, the resources for us to conquer those challenges are always there. And if we engage that way, I have the warrior spirit from all my football training. If we engage that way, we reap the rewards. And the rewards are often physical, money, people like us, people wanna be around us, but they're deeper because

Something deep in us is satisfied in the process and the manifestation is happiness, happiness.

Scott Britton (28:20.565)

Well, the resources are always there. It's just a question of whether you can see them. And that's the essence for me of the consciousness journey, right? It's just becoming aware of ourselves and becoming aware of everything that's happening around us and the truth and greater degrees of truth. And a question, one of the things I've heard you talk about before in some other podcasts I've listened to you on is this notion of us attracting in an event or a person because there's enough power

that is built up internally to bring that to the surface. And I thought that was a really, really powerful idea as we think about, you know, making meaning of reality. Can you talk more about that?

Ricky (29:02.03)

Yeah, that's one of my favorite concepts. And I think it's at the core of the way that I teach astrology. So it really is rooted in the planet. I'll use an example. Back to the planet Mars. Mars to the Romans was the god of war. And so the reason Swami Sita asked where my Mars was is because she knew that I was a football player.

So she knew that I was a warrior and she was curious where that urge, where would it look like in my chart? And sure enough, right? That's what we talked about the whole time is that I was constantly attracting stressful situations. And we don't think of a warrior as someone who constantly attracts stressful situations, but that's exactly what we do as a football player, right? Every Tuesday we get the scouting report and I'm looking at the scouting report.

And I see Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, John Lynch, okay? man, that every competition, right, is a stressful experience that calls us to meet the challenge. And when we do, we get rewarded. We get rewarded. And so what Swami Sita pointed out to me is that football was an outlet for dealing with those stressful situations, but my personal life, which was in shambles, was also a manifestation.

of attracting stressful situations. And once she pointed out that it wasn't something outside, that it was something inside of me that needed to learn how to be a better warrior that was attracting the experiences, it allowed me to reorient myself. And this is depth psychology. Carl Jung spent a lot of time talking about this, is that what we're talking about in the chart are desires and the unconscious. But ever since we're a little kid,

Our parents and the adults around us are trying to teach us to be upstanding citizens. But the truth is our unconscious doesn't really care about what people have described or defined as being an upstanding citizen. And so there's a mismatch. And so a lot of times things that are deeper parts of us that aren't allowed to express, we have to suppress them. We have to keep pushing them down.

Ricky (31:24.014)

And the nature of when you suppress something or you push it down, it gains power. It gains power, right? A simple example. I remember I was having a rough week with my wife. It was like every time we tried to have any conversation, it turned into an argument. Stressful, stressful. And so I told myself, I said, okay, no matter what she says, right, I'm gonna keep my calm, I'm gonna take deep breaths, I'm gonna use my mantra, I'm not gonna lose my cool.

Scott Britton (31:52.327)

Yeah

Ricky (31:54.006)

And so I go downstairs and we start talking. And it's like the one thing, the one thing in the universe, right? That she could say that would piss me off came out of her mouth. And of course I got riled up. our training was don't lose your cool, don't get upset, don't get angry, don't yell. That's our training. But for me, this powerful Mars has to express passion. And if I try to suppress it, what's gonna happen is I'm gonna attract external experiences.

that are gonna trigger the release. And so I have to ask myself, do I want something outside of me to trigger a release or do I wanna consciously think where can I put my passion today? And I think living consciously, living unconsciously, because when we're living unconsciously, what are we unconscious of, right? Ourselves, who we are, our deeper nature. When we live consciously, we're more aware of those and we live our life from that place.

And it's a word that's used a lot, but the word that comes to my mind, that's when life becomes magical. Because even in the magical text, the magic is that whatever I will happens. But if my conscious will is aligned with something deeper, wow, then that's the manifestation. Because I've aligned my consciousness with truth, so when I speak, what happens is things manifest, things show up.

Scott Britton (33:19.539)

This is a really interesting perspective, the way you think about it as attracting that situation from a desire versus I know a lot of people, the school of thought is, there's some reason that that situation would trigger you that essentially in your subconscious that wants to be healed, that wants to be brought into your awareness so that you can just feel whole and not feel triggered.

Yeah, like how would you, are we talking about the same thing with different approaches or is it just kind of just a fundamentally different belief around like why you would attract that in?

Ricky (34:00.94)

It's, well, when we say why, to me when we say why attract it, that's where we're off base. And I think the issue I see with modern consciousness is it's too self-centered. Right, consciousness does not care what we want. It doesn't care.

So what I'm saying is my training is don't lose my cool, right? That training is the issue that forces people to lose their cool because their response to something inside of them is to suppress it. It's not to express it. And when we suppress, it builds up power and it sends something to us. So to me, the whole thing, it wasn't about losing my cool. It was about noticing when I feel the passion not to suppress it.

but to find a way to express it. We are not put on this earth to suppress anything. We are put on this earth to express some kind of truth or some kind of essence. And so the difference with my approach is it's not moral, right? Not in the moral sense of anyone can say what is right or what is wrong. I don't think we can because there's something deeper inside of us that doesn't have a point of view about right or wrong.

And when we do, we tie ourselves up into knots. And so I believe that the reason we're on this planet, and this is what consciousness is about, is to become ourselves. But ourselves, it's something that that information only exists within. And if we track it, we see what it is, because when we try to be something else, ourselves find a way to mess it up somehow.

Scott Britton (35:45.882)

Yeah, it's really interesting. It's a really interesting way of looking at it. And I think, you know, a lot of people, when they hear about this, know places that my mind goes is like, okay, so I understand this notion of like being in the present moment, right? And showing up like in my truth and how my deeper essence wants to be embodied. What about things like direction for life?

You know, we talk about like highest per like expression, doing the thing we came here to do. How does that how does this work start to make that process easier?

Ricky (36:25.742)

Because it allows that process to be organic. Once we start to align with who we are on a deeper level, it's the same way. We're the same way we can attract things that get in the way. We can also attract things that represent our path. And I think the more you live aligned, the things you attract are consistent with your path. That's why I keep using the word magic, because life starts to feel magical. And we all have glimpses, right? The modern term is synchronicities.

You know, meaningful coincidences. Well, when you're on your path, life becomes a meaningful coincidence. You know, the right door's open, the right door's closed. It's because we're living not separate from consciousness. We're living aligned with consciousness. So we have all of these words, but it's quite literal. We step into the flow of life. We're not separate from it. And we all have had this feeling of feeling separate from the flow of life. We have to bring so much force

Right? In order to figure things out. But I think the only force we really should apply is an internal force to force ourselves to live, to pay attention and live more according to an inner kind of truth. And part of the evidence that you're doing it is the doors opening and purpose just manifest. It like shows up in front of you as choice A or choice B and choice A feels like, this really sings in my heart. And choice B, this might sing in my head, but something doesn't feel right.

And so as we start to align ourselves with the choices that are most aligned with who we are, purpose, meaning, they just show up. You don't have to look for

Scott Britton (38:06.661)

Yeah, think I love that. And what comes up for me is my spiritual teacher was like, I remember I was telling her about how I was like thinking about which business to start and all these different things. And she's like, you know, the right thing is just gonna fall into your lap. Like, and you'll know. And that's exactly what happened. And I agree, like as you get more into alignment, that stuff just starts to happen more and more. You can start to trust it more.

And then all of a sudden there isn't this pressure to figure things out and you can actually be in the present moment.

Ricky (38:37.772)

You got it, you got it. You got it. That's 100 % accurate. But only thing I would add is it'll fall in your, you said it, but it'll fall in your lap if you're doing the work.

Scott Britton (38:52.113)

Yeah, man, a hundred percent. you know, I know you have an app and also coach people. Talk to us a little bit about what your vision is for Lila and how this stuff starts to become more well known, more embraced, more people finding alignment in their life.

Ricky (39:13.614)

Yeah, I created Lila as like a, I used this earlier, as like a GPS. And the tagline for the app Lila is, and Lila means divine play. It's kind of what we're talking about, living in the flow. And I call it timely food for thought, timely food for thought. Because I realize, right, if I'm talking to a friend and my friend says something to me that puts me more in the present moment, okay.

That being in the present moment, that's gonna last maybe even the rest of the day. And I'm gonna avoid falling asleep at the will or doing something unconscious because of that tuning. And so I created Lila just to tune people in. And you can read about yourself, which we call the natal chart. You can read about what's going on currently. And when we sit in a chart, when we say what's going on currently, we're saying what characters inside of you are currently up for development.

And so we can look at the natal chart, the potential for the life. We can look at what's going on now. Which of those potentials are being active and just reading the content. We've done a good job of keeping out as much jargon as we can and really speaking like psycho spiritual poetry. So it's easier for people to take the symbolic language and find a way of what we're saying and what events in their life that are currently up or do those connect to. And it gives a sense of

perspective, because we're looking at what's going on in your life, not from what you want or what you think, but from a consciousness perspective to help people get that point of reference of, what is the meaning of this? Why is this going on?

Scott Britton (41:00.75)

I can see that being incredibly useful. I'll probably be downloading it after this conversation.

Ricky (41:06.862)

It's a project. It really is because still astrology is very niche and I think consciousness is niche too. And I think people are flocking towards consciousness, but I think astrology is where there's an overlap of consciousness. as an example, I hear a lot of people saying I am spiritual but not religious. My interpretation is

I believe in something, but I have no idea what and or what to do about it. And astrology changes all of that because you can take all of the consciousness training or learning that anyone has had and you can view it through the lens of astrology which helps you see how does this apply to me today? Talking about being in the present moment, there's infinite spiritual truths out there, but on some days, right, hard work pays off. It works brilliantly.

You work your ass off and it pays off. Some days, right, sitting back and waiting for something to fall into your lap, it works beautifully. The harder I work, it seems like the thing I want gets further away, but when I just take a chill pill and relax and be grateful, wow, things just flock in. So again, there's infinite good advice out there, but how do we know when to take those pieces of good advice? think astrology can really help.

Scott Britton (42:32.071)

What strikes me is, you like, you can be on a spiritual path and you can be using everyday life as a mirror to understand yourself, but there's still this kind of like map layer, right, that of like another dimension, right, of like the bigger picture. And I can see where having astrology and like that type of compass for additional perspective and context is super useful, you know?

Um, because, cause like, I'm just thinking about a situation personally, it's like me and my mom got an argument last night and I'm like, okay, we got an argument. Well, I know we got an argument because she activated this pattern that's like based around something that happened when I was a kid, blah, blah, blah. That's useful. But there's also like a, well, why did that event occur besides that? Like, and what does that mean for my broader life path? And that's something that

there might be more to know there that I'm not getting by just relating it to it in the way that I was.

Ricky (43:35.982)

Well said, well said. I think the psychological level of what happened to us when we were kids is useful, but even that, what happened to us as kids was activating something that happened before we were kids. So, and I think astrology can tap us to that deeper, that deeper desire that is trying to manifest through life. And so it allows us to get underneath the psychological layer. And I'd say the best word for that is the consciousness layer.

because the psychological dramas of our childhood are just manifestations of deeper consciousness. So why stop there? Why not go to the source? Why not go to the root? And the source and the root, I feel confident saying astrology can take us to the source or the root. And here's why I feel confident. So a little history lesson, okay? The history of written language is synonymous with the history of astrology.

So the first, at least at this point in our knowledge, the origin of writing, as far as we know, comes from Mesopotamia. They found a bunch of clay tablets with stylus marks in it. And a big part of the library they found were astrological observations. So our first introduction to the planets, this is before astronomy, right? Our first introduction to the planets is they were introduced as gods. It's gods.

Mesopotamian gods, and then astrology spread to Greece, they became Greek gods, and then astrology spread to Rome, and they become Roman gods. And those are the planets that we still use today. So our first introduction to the planets is they live in the heavens and they are named after gods. So this idea of the source of it all, right? Regardless of your religious inclinations, all religions have the idea of some source energy, some place where everything comes from.

And so astrology is a map of those elemental key forces of the universe. So you mentioned earlier, astrology can help us understand the universe. And since we are manifestations of the universe, astrology can help us understand ourselves. And because of that, we can understand the universe through a deep understanding of ourselves because they all come from the same place.

Scott Britton (45:53.719)

Well, that aligns to the Hermetic principle as above, so below, right? That's what it means. As you understand yourself, you understand the laws of the universe.

Ricky (46:03.999)

Exactly.

Scott Britton (46:05.613)

Yeah, and what's so funny, man, it's like here we are, 2025, whatever, and it's just like, man, people figured this out a long time ago. And it's just coming back into the modern radar for a lot of us at least.

Ricky (46:21.09)

Well, you say people, but I think that's the difference between then and now is back then in order to figure this out, right? You had to be in the priestly class, which was a very tiny class. The beauty now and why I'm so excited about launching this app because of technological advances, now everyone can have access to this information, right? And that's just the starting point. It's like the printing press, right?

Once we had the printing press, everyone could read the Bible themselves and religions changed drastically after that. And I think this is a modern technology that now we can create an app that shows us where the planets were when we were born and where they are at any time in history. Everyone at least now can read the book. Everyone has access to the tool to be able to see for themselves, what is this and how can it help?

Scott Britton (47:13.485)

Yeah, no question the information age laid the foundation for a revolution in consciousness. And I think now we're at another inflection point with AI where, hey, all of that can be personalized. All of that can be increasingly intelligent and we're at another inflection point. And so it's going to be super interesting to see how it all plays out. I know in addition to Lila, like you have other things that you're, I mean, you're, you're true Renaissance man. And I appreciate that about you.

I'm curious, like what else you got going on? Is there other things that you're excited about?

Ricky (47:48.812)

Honestly, you just said it. It's really, I feel like I found my thing with helping spread the word about this tool. And you mentioned AI. So I spend most of my time working on AI applications of astrology, working on how to teach a machine, how to personalize and give people meaningful, helpful insights to help them in their lives. And all the other stuff I do, I have a cannabis company and spreading the word, but.

All of it is related to consciousness. I think, again, I'm all in on the astrological tool and what it can help. An example is cancer research. I think we're gonna see a revolution, we're gonna see a renaissance rooted in astrology because it's a form of measurement that we've ignored. So once people appreciate we can measure the quality of time, they're gonna see history, we're gonna see all the sciences.

have a revolution because people are gonna start to see the validity of this tool and they're gonna start to apply it going back in time and new cosmic insights are gonna start to emerge. And that's exciting. And to feel like I'm a part of that and at the very beginning of this Renaissance and this change, I'm stoked.

Scott Britton (49:09.995)

You got me fired up about astrology, man. I'm feeling like, okay, I'm a little late to the party, I guess, but I'm glad that I know that it exists. So I definitely will be exploring it more on my own. And I'm grateful for you that you're making this more accessible for people and spreading awareness. I think for people that are listening that want to get to know more about Lila or your work or all the things you're doing, where's the best place for them to do that?

Ricky (49:39.982)

Lila. So the website for Lila is called lilaverse.app L-I-L-A-V-E-R-S-E. And all of the information about what I'm doing is evident on that site. And Lila, L-I-L-A, is available on Android, Google Play Store, and Apple Store. And the AI work that I'm working on, it's an app called Ask Lilla.

And I find it's a better tool for people that are just entering astrology because all you have to do is ask a question and you start to get feedback about yourself through the lens of your chart. So those are where I'm putting all of my energy into right now.

Scott Britton (50:26.315)

Nice. Well, we'll make sure Lila gets introduced to a lot of people and we're super grateful for you, Ricky. You know, not only just for this conversation, but just for what you're doing in the world, man. It's inspiring and keep shining your light, dude. It's awesome.

Ricky (50:42.476)

Yeah, I have to say, this is really fulfilling for me to, I got to the point where I learned to not care what people think. So I'm just working, working, working. But the fact that someone younger was touched by my story and is using your platform for us to have this conversation. man, it's the most fulfilling thing in the world. So thank you for reaching out.

Scott Britton (51:06.731)

You're welcome brother.

Ricky (51:08.11)

Yeah.